March 25, 2008
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Men, Women and Relationships
While poking through my fiance’s room (well, “our” room actually) trying to find something to do, I came across a stack of books. I love to read and I had been eying that stack o’books for a while. I went through them in an effort to find the one that appealed to me the most, I found a book by John Gray, the author of Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus. I’ve never read that book but I thought I would give this one a shot. Men, Women and Relationships, interesting enough for a title, why not, you know? What really prompted me to read it was the recent argumentative disagreements that my fiance and have had lately. Nothing big mind you, the only problem has been with how we both deal with disagreements. I want to talk them through right then and there and he wants to withdraw until tempers cool and we can actually “talk” without raising voices and attitudes. It really pisses me off when he doesn’t want to talk about it when the problem arises and it really pisses him of when I do. We’ve never gotten into a yelling match, we haven’t ever really had a “heated” argument… just disagreements. Nonetheless, disagreements are still stressful. So, we were looking for ways to better understand and cater to each others needs…
I haven’t been reading this book long, I’m only on the fiftieth page. Between Xanga, life, a fiance and children, I haven’t had a lot of time to read in the last couple days. So far in the book it is talking about the ways men and women think and how we make mistakes in relationships by treating our spouse like he/she is a member of the same sex as we are. Lets say that there is this couple, Patrick and Jennifer. Jen and Pat get into an argument and Pat walks away, because that is what he does as a man and he thinks he is “respecting” Jens space. But Jen would never walk away from a loved on who is upset, she finds that inconsiderate and disrespectful and since Pat has now walked away from her she is now even more upset. Jen follows and tries again to talk through the argument and worsens Pats mood because all he wanted to do was to be left alone for a while. All Pat was trying to do was give her space and time, because that is what HE needs when he is upset. all Jen was trying to do was express her feelings and talk about what is bothering her, because that’s what SHE needs. Get what I’m saying about worsening something by treating your spouse like they’re the same sex? (read pages 20-21)
These differences between men and woman can be explained by the male and female brain:
“Cell numbers: men have 4% more brain cells than women, and about 100 grams more of brain tissue. Many women have asked me why men need more brain tissue in order to get the same things done.
Cellular connections: even though a man seems to have more brain cells, it is reported that women have more dendritic connections between brain cells.
Corpus collosum size: it is reported that a woman’s brain has a larger corpus collusum, which means women can transfer data between the right and left hemisphere faster than men. Men tend to be more left brained, while women have greater access to both sides.
Language: for men, language is most often just in the dominant hemisphere (usually the left side), but a larger number of women seem to be able to use both sides for language. This gives them a distinct advantage. If a woman has a stroke in the left front side of the brain, she may still retain some language from the right front side. Men who have the same left sided damage are less likely to recover as fully.
Limbic size: bonding/nesting instincts – current research has demonstrated that females, on average, have a larger deep limbic system than males. This gives females several advantages and disadvantages. Due to the larger deep limbic brain women are more in touch with their feelings, they are generally better able to express their feelings than men. They have an increased ability to bond and be connected to others (which is why women are the primary caretakers for children – there is no society on earth where men are primary caretakers for children). Females have a more acute sense of smell, which is likely to have developed from an evolutionary need for the mother to recognize her young. Having a larger deep limbic system leaves a female somewhat more susceptible to depression, especially at times of significant hormonal changes such as the onset of puberty, before menses, after the birth of a child and at menopause. Women attempt suicide three times more than men. Yet, men kill themselves three times more than women, in part, because they use more violent means of killing themselves (women tend to use overdoses with pills while men tend to either shoot or hang themselves) and men are generally less connected to others than are women. Disconnection from others increases the risk of completed suicides.”
So that explains why woman have an easier time verbally expressing their emotions, they have a greater ability to use both sides of their brain at the same time. I do recommend you read Men, Woman and Relationships… It really is pretty cool. =)
Comments (28)
The stuff about the brain is all very interesting but it’s the packaging that counts first.
Ah, gender: human kinds greatest frustration.
I feel kind of cheated personally. Here I am, supposed to be a guy and all, but I got this wicked dose of hyper connectivity all through my corpus collosum. Way to go random fluke of genetics, way to ruin my mental template.
Before reading this I had entirely forgotten about the limbic system. Thank you for the reminder.
@Sayitwell - You are welcome, glad I could help :sswink:
Hey sista!
okay, the furthest I got was the “Jennifer and Patrick” thing… and I just got really excited because my friend Pat’s g/f’s name is Jennifer.
hahaha
But I love you and I’m glad to be back…
<3 Risa
@NinjaPirateChick - LMFAO I love you *hugs*
Okay, just read the rest of it…
the whole “Jen and Pat” thing sounds like colleen and aaron…
I’ll show this to them.
Love ya!
I don’t think that book would apply to me. I’m very “male-brained”. I do things logically and rarely get overtaken by emotions (I feel, but reason is still usually in first gear). I’m great at math and science, and not-so-great at English. I like to confront problems head-on and I don’t beat around the bush on anything – I say what I mean. I don’t need other people, and often I’d rather not have them.
My boyfriend, on the other hand, is somewhat “female-brained”. He is very sensitive and caring. He’s better at music than math. He would rather avoid problems than confront them.
We don’t fight, but when one of us is upset, there’s one easy thing that seems to calm us both down: cuddling! :sssmile:
My wife is from Mars and Venus and I’m from Venus and Mars, so we get along fine but usually these gender-based differences don’t mean so much to us *sobs*
But I’ve seen these things help in lots of relationships.
have heard of the book but not read yet…
I totally agree with the book but every now and then you find a male *ahem* like me that loves to communicate and express emotions. Sometimes I think i’d make a good woman haha. I really am an open book though, I love to talk about my problems and just be ‘connected’ with those around me =)
gahaha thanks for the recommend!!! =D
Men are usually PISSED since they have to deal with the cutthroat world of being a man…so it’s always a good idea for us to calm down before we have to talk:sswink:
Makes sense to me. ~ L
Yeah, it’s not a “blanket statement” of gender communication for one and all, in so much as a book on recognizing differences and how to overcome those as “communication obstacles”…..frankly speaking, I am very domesticated and people joked about me being very sensitive and making someone a good wife some day, but…..I am not the best in talking about my feelings, and I know this…..I need my space initially, then when things settle, I can come out of my shell……that’s just me tho…..
I may need to check out that book. We have some issues that he feels are not issues and I know they are. Might help us to see each others perspectives better.
Men are like waffles, women are like spaggetti.
ryc, I was so proud to have accurately counted 13 passes. :ssgoofy:
@DIYGuy - My dude counted 13 too… I only got 11. Oh well… I’m not that good at paying attention anyway! LOL
Let a wise old man of 43 tell you what he and his wife have discovered after 20+ years of marriage::sscrush:
It’s not about you wanting to “talk things out” – it’s about you being able to gain control over him.
And it’s not about him wanting to “cool down” – it’s about him being unable to maturely deal with something he can’t chase, kill or immediately mate with.
Here’s what Susan and I agreed to:
I get a maximum of 48 hours to process and deal with issues that have come to a head, but that I don’t immediately want to talk about. At the end of that 48 hours, I am committed to rationally discussing things to a resolution, one way or the other without shutting down or getting angry.
What we’ve found is that during the 48 hours a). she often determines the issue wasn’t important enough to fuss over and b). I generally find that she was right in the first place.
Men need to get in touch with their inner vagina.
@Amandasbiggestfan - hahahah agreed…. and thank you for commenting, I believe that is the first time you have. Well, once before… but still, the first time you did you threatened that you bite. LOL
@Amandasbiggestfan - Yes, we do…..and women need to get in touch with their inner pole and go kill something…. *smirk*
@pctoolbin - lmfao :sslove:
I recommend the Mars and Venus book too. I have it on Audio cd. It’s good.
I quoted part of this post and linked you. Hope you don’t mind, but it really got me thinking!
@affectator_de_veritas - Don’t mind at all! I am happy to be an inspiration :sswink: Thank you for linking me! You get a gold star :ssstar:
It sounds like interesting reading.
I love the waffles comparison. It so fits!
:sssmile: All those books mentioned are great books. Other factors to think about in the dynamic are:
Your Birth Orders and what roles you have assumed. What type of envirement are you each used to? Some households are loud, some are not….How the household you grew up in communicates matters now. How do you each filter information from the world around you. are you Same/same same/differance Differance / Same or Differance / differance? (I hope not the last one) How we process the information in the world around us directly effects how we communicate and listen. Are you auditory, touchy feely, or something else…..mmmmmm Oh you will have so much fun learning these things. And it’s all good, But…
I think the best things those books point out is to stay away from absolutes always, everytime, constantly, never!!!! LIfe is so much easier if those words “never” are spoken to each other…..Have FUN. :sswink: